The Federalist Society and AEI today hosted a panel discussion of John Yoo and Julian Ku's new book, Taming Globalization: International Law, the U.S. Constitution, and the New World Order. The two authors--from Berkeley and Hofstra Law, respectively--were joined by Martin Flaherty of the Fordham University School of Law and Jeremy Rabkin of the George Mason University School of Law. Jennifer Rubin moderated.
Ku began by laying out three concepts they authors see as affecting the constitutional environment: 1) globalization, 2) global governance, and 3) sovereignty. Globalization is exogenous, a neither good nor bad force. It is leading to a change in global governance, including a deepening of legal and non-legal international cooperation, the rise of new and important international organization, and the expansion of international law, which formerly used to deal with diplomatic issues, to areas that used to be considered solely in the domestic sphere. As for sovereignty, Ku claimed that our conception of it should depend on the U.S. Constitution’s understanding of sovereignty, not the conception of Westphalian sovereignty.
Yoo explained that globalization poses the same kind of stresses for the country as did the economic nationalization that occurred during the New Deal, which unfortunately lead to the creation of independent agencies given sweeping authority. The solution he sees is to turn to the Constitution as the only means by which the government can exercise the power delegated to it by the people. Laws implementing international law should largely be the domain of Congress, not the courts. This would preserve popular sovereignty while still allowing the U.S. to engage in the kind of international cooperation the Framers envisioned. Yoo proposed three doctrines: 1) Most treaties should be considered to be non-self-executing (meaning they require implementing legislation), 2) The political branches, especially the president, should take the lead role in interpreting international law, 3) the 50 states should play a larger role in international law given show it is becoming more difficult for the federal government to regulate international issue that impact state laws, such as the nature of marriage.
Flaherty said he enjoyed the book, which he found stimulated, comprehensive, and lucid. However, he said he found something to disagree with on virtually every page. He claimed that the book’s ideas are so original as to be idiosyncratic. He agreed with the authors the Constitution is the body of law that mediates how the U.S. engages with the rest of the world. He also said he accepts Justice Scalia’s method of constitutional interpretations: start with the text, then move to original understanding, structure, custom, precedent, and maybe policy as a tie-breaker. But using this method, he argued, poses problems for the book’s positions. For example, the plain meaning of the text of the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause appears to strongly suggest that treaties are self-executing. And if there is any doubt there, the original understanding of the Clause was that it was intended to solve the problem that America could not enforce its treaties—in particular, the states were not enforcing the Treaty of Paris that ended the Revolutionary War.
Rabkin followed by saying that much of the book is very attractive. Above all, it sidesteps angry debates about what should or should not be America’s stance toward the world. He said he was sympathetic to the authors’ underlying project, but he did not agree that globalization is an unstoppable force that we cannot change. The implication of the authors’ view is that we will have more and more treaties going forward so let us just focus on process. But can we make a treaty on just about anything? He said “no.” If we assume the opposite, then we can make treaties about international human rights. Such treaties address not the relations between states, as treaties solely used to do, but what all states must do, including what states may do to their citizens. International law thus becomes something like Natural Law, a brooding omnipresence in the sky that has moral urgency.